@Kazemaru Right! It's so damn delicious.

I've tried quitting 5 times now. I go close to 50 days but have to have it after that, lol.

Realy? If i stay 2 days without cofre I start dying

Yeah I'll put the designs on other merch

You are taking the self-improvement seriously, heh? (Not sarcasm)

I try to! I've cut all sugars and most carbs. I still eat vegetables and rice but want to limit to just vegetables. I only eat 4-6oz meat. Experiment on myself. I am currently on a water fast so I only drink black coffee or green tea. I'm 10 days into my water fast.

Day 2-3 is the hardest because the body switches from glucose to ketones for energy. I get really groggy and sleepy.

Grate cauliflower or brocoli and microwave it for like three to four minutes.

You get a rice replacement.

@machtyn

THAT is happening today for dinner 😉

Thank you!

@machtyn I feel sleep and groggy as well all the time ,I totally cut sugar out but it didn't work

@MGTOW INDIAN Well, for me, it was sugar AND breads/pastas. I also stopped eating prepared meals. I COOK all my own meals.

It took me 3 months to get out of that feeling, btw.

I'm still figuring myself out but this has worked for me. Whenever I cheat and eat toast with breakfast, I get sleepy for 2-3 hours after eating.

Ok so, no sugar and eat vegetables.what about water fast

I don't suggest doing this but this is what I am doing..

I am on day 10 of a water fast. I only drink filtered water and electrolytes (look up "lyteshow" on amazon for the idea).

I am only doing this as a test of mental will for myself.

I normally eat 1 meal a day within a 1 hour window every day. So I fast 23 hours per day and eat 1 meal at 1600, then at 1700 I workout.

Ok got it

This is very unconventional

So be careful if you try it out...

Dr Jason Fung is my resource for learning about it.

I really feel more clear and focused when fasted. It's a personal preference.

I'll check that out thanks mate I have been struggling with grogginess and sleepiness

Days 1-3 are intense. Your body is switching from glucose as energy to ketones for energy so you are in a version of detox.

Alright what is the fundamental difference between a Ketone and glucose

As Sources of energy

I also lowered my caffeine down to 300mg per day. I have one cup at 1000 and my other cup at 1400.

Ketones are using your body fat as fuel.

Glucose is from carbs/sugar conversion; from my knowledge.

Again, I don't know it all and this is just something I am trying personally so do your own research.

I am recording it all and got my blood work done before I started and once I'm done I will get my blood work done again.

I also record my ketone levels via piss sticks.

Ok I don't drink coffee I think the more I drink it the more the tolerance I have for coffee

I suggest reading Dr Jason Fung's blog and listening to all his YouTube. It will take you a full day to consume it all but it's worth it.

What is piss sticks

Yes, coffee is intense. I am looking at transitioning to green tea instead.

In your opinion is milk fine

I pee on a stick that scores my ketone level.

I personally don't eat any dairy except kerrygolds (grass fed) butter and blue cheese.

I'm not sure on milk. I personally dislike it.

Milk in tea seems cool.

Look up "smack fat" keton test stripes for more information.

Oh so you are really serious about your health

That's good

Health is wealth! :)

Exactly for the past 6 months i have also been trying to take care of my health my diet and exercise

Well, ketosis is one method for weight loss and lower insulin resistance. I use fasting and low carb eating along with lifting heavy weights and rowing as tools. But those are my tools. They may not work for you. There is no one way to eat properly so don't get locked into one ideal. Always experiment but make sure to give each method a proper test period (180 days at least).

I personally try to remain in "optimal" ketosis which is 3-5 mmol/L.

Right I usually follow the conventional method I haven't really gone for the unconventional methods yet

I was just trying to learn the unconventional methods and the science behind it

I'm excited for this fast though because I plan on going a little extreme... I plan on fasting as long as my body can take it. Once I enter "starvation mode" (hunger in throat instead of stomach and tongue losing all color), I will break my fast with beef bone broth, yogurt and dark green vegetables.

Yeah, for fasting I suggest Dr Jason Fung.

Ok

FUCK THE BANKS

Why?

Ever heard of the Federal Reserve system?

Ever wonder why everyone uses money?

Okay.

Or better yet, who controls and gets to decide why and how money is controlled?

Jews.

Not quite...

I would like to caution against asigning too much blame.

I frankly don't care.

As a MGTOW man we look at the system and live our lives in a way that best suits us.

When you blame someone else you take away your ability to make change

Well... if you want to buy things and start to wonder why you have to sell your labor-power in order to live, perhaps you ought to be more curious.

@Lilu How so?

ideally focusing on what you can do and actions that you can take to make your own life better are likely more beneficial to yourself

I'm not saying that understanding the system is bad

I am just cautioning that there is a fine line between identifying a certain condition and become a victim by assigning blame and thus responsibility to another.

I agree that the banking and tax systems are messed up.

I'm just saying that there are ways around things.

@Lilu What do you mean by "become a victim"?

@Seven Of Swords Yes, a good book is the "The Creature from Jekyll Island"

I guess a really good example would be in MMO games. If they devs do some hotfix to WoW that disadvantages your class... You could complain about how Survial Hunters just got fucked last night or you could figure out which new spec to switch to or how to change your gameplay to adjust or maybe just play a different character etc...

@Lilu Take fully responsibility for your life. I love it and agree.

So when you blame someone else you remove your ability to change the situation. When you take responsibility you put yourself in a postion of control and power.

There is a fine line between learning the rules of the game an complaining about your victimhoood.

When you blame someone else you assign them responsibility over your life in that aspect. You lose control where instead of blaming you could pivot and take control in a smaller aspect.

I love your mindset, Lilu!

ya

@Lilu What books or content creators do you mostly consume relating to that mindset? I always kind of knew but heard it verbalized by Jocko Willink and others.

I believe life is all about perspective. In MGTOW circles I try to bring things back to a perspective that keeps personal power and control over one's life at the forefront.

@Lilu Is it more like your class got screwed over in WoW or is perhaps more like you are strapped to a chair and made to play WoW with the class that got the short end of the stick and you cannot change characters at gunpoint? Then you notice that tons of other people are in the same situation...

@Lilu Amen 😉

@Lilu How do you have personal power when you cannot even have the power to live how you want?

I'm 47 so I've been around and can't fully recall where all of my base viewpoints came from.

I must ask, is it a bad thing when a girl wants you to smile and not look grumpy?

@Seven Of Swords Yeah, we're all on the American Government Platform (tm). We have to pay taxes to exist here. You can leave to another country, go off the grid as much as possible or try lobbying for change.

@machtyn Ok... why should there be taxation?

@Lilu I'd love to chat sometime and encourage you to write an article on responsibility. It's very Stoic. I love it.

So it's nearly impossible to smile and still be angry. Likewise the act of standing tall with your head highand shoulders straight makes you confident.

@Seven Of Swords It's not why it's what is. Same with why is female nature this or that. It is. Thus, you need to take control over your small circle of influence within it. The government SHOULD be small. It shouldn't have any welfare. It should just protect/serve/basic infrastructure and taxes supply that.

Going "off the grid" is pretty much impossible because the Government declared that all land that isn't privatized is its own... because of its own sovereignty.

Yes, imminent domain.

Any one of us can be drafted immediately.

All accounts can be frozen/confiscated.

Hmmm in 2016 girls say "your smile is beautiful!!" "Don't look gloomy" but didn't studies say girls love when a man is miserable?

The government has entire control over our lives if you truly understand it.

@machtyn How can you say "that's simply it. oh well" and still think that you have more control than you really do?

@IceRGodZ Who cares what women want 😄

What do they want LOL

So what you guys are saying is true. But to me a better viewpoint is how can I live my life how I want. If there are hurdles figure a way around them. Don't focus on the obstacle look for the path over or around it.

@Seven Of Swords Your reading my statement as nihilistic but it's not. It's not "oh well." What would you suggest we do? The only options were the ones I listed. You can lobby for political change.

These social institutions are pretty much holding you at gunpoint to play otherwise you will starve to death or be thrown in a a cage...

@Seven Of Swords yes.

If you don't pay taxes, men with guns will find you.

@Lilu Agree!

You can work for cash. Travel to a different country do maritime work, start a business etc....

Yes, you can live off the grid as much as possible or leave or both.

Or, lobby for change.

What you pay to Cesar, you pay to Cesar, what you pay to God, you pay to God

@machtyn So are you in favor of the system that will hunt you down if you do not give them arbitrary paper strips when they arbitrarily decide that they want it?

or you can just pay the taxes and save up and get out of the system as quickly as possible.

Sounds like robbery...

@Seven Of Swords You're personally MGTOW but you're politically trying to affect change. I just want you to see that irony 😄 I agree with you that it's a fucked system.

I'm not MGTOW...

@Seven Of Swords Oh no... don't get me wrong. I am a libertarian/minarchist.

@Seven Of Swords Oh, apologies.

ya it's robbery. you can fight the " good fight " or you can focus on living a life that you enjoy.

I want small government and markets to do the rest.

full MGTOW is different than an apprentice to MGTOW. Or a bit of MGTOW embedded

@IceRGodZ Like it 😄

@Lilu But what happens when you cannot live the life that you want to enjoy because of the very institutions that demands that you can only enjoy your life within the boundaries that itself has created?

MGTOW and black pill seem to be closely tied together.

@Seven Of Swords Taxes/Inflation (a form of tax due to fiat currency) have always been robbery.

@machtyn Are you ok with being robbed?

you can always live a life that you enjoy.

Especially when you consider 75%-80% of spending is on welfare... it's charity in my eyes.

You can have tax reductions

@Lilu What if I wanted to live a life without the government stepping in all of the time? What if I want a life without wage labor?

shit happens in life. I'm not saying that I agree with it. I'm just saying that you have to pick your fights and focus on what you can change

@Seven Of Swords I make 65-70k. I pay 10-15k in taxes because I max out my tax advantaged accounts to lower tax bills. I spend 10-15k per year. I invest the rest. You can easily save 1-2 million within 10-15 years and live off it.

You invest to help the society, you aren't being a slave to the government or conpany

@Seven Of Swords No, but unless I want to be imprisoned I cannot fight back. There is no "protesting" taxation.

still taxes, but it's lowered hence beneficial

@Seven Of Swords Sadly, you have to provide value in some manner to earn money.

@machtyn Why?

Why are you entitled to anything if you don't create value?

Why are you trying to defend the very system that you just said has plenty of problems that you wouldn't like int he first place?

If someone walks up to you and puts a gun to your face and asks for your wallet and you have $100 in it... you can decide that it's not right what that guy is doing and fight him to keep your wallet or you can say " it's just $100 I can make that again pretty easily "

@IceRGodZ Yes, lower taxes as much as possible but at the end of the day... think about it as charity to make it less painful lol.

@machtyn What do you mean by "create value"?

@Seven Of Swords I'm not defending it. It's the system we're in. I don't defend female nature. I explain and understand it.

Because the current system doesn't create value, it only creates a values within a market of exchanges...

If you want value you need to provide value. The most common way to provide value is a just over broke (job) or selling services, information, products, etc.

Government rewards you for not relying on them lol

So corporation are created by the government and they have every right to tax them. However corporations pay very little tax. You an start a corp and have it pay for your car, your phone, internet insurance, etc... and deduct all of it from taxes

Yes, these markets of exchange will demand certain value it wants

they wont reward people on welfare TECHNICALLY

@Lilu Oh... tell me more.

@Lilu I currently max out 401k, Traditional/Roth IRA and HSA. Everything goes into my brokerage account. I treat my savings account as my brokerage account.

@machtyn Then by definition, people are not creating value, only the market of exchanges displays what the value of a commodity is only in relation to other commodities.... The individual plays no role in determining what have value and what does not...

You can get your taxes very low if you want. Or you can bitch about how unfair that they are. I'm just saying the main viewpoint should be " what can I do " not " what can't I do ".

@Seven Of Swords The market is composed of individuals so yes and no.

@Lilu Why not 0 taxes?

401K LOL

what a joke.

I'm not an investment guru. I just know people that own their own business and get a lot of their expenses written off as business expenses.

@machtyn Then why can't individuals simply decide next Tuesday that the exchange market is dogshit and stop having faith in it?

@Seven Of Swords All governments are socialized to a specific degree. Small governments provide base necessities of a nation (military, police, courts). Less services = less taxes.

Penalties when you lay your hands on your money? Bank stealing since they are babysitting it?

so you get the company to pay for things like your car and then that becomes tax deductible.

Fees?

@machtyn Why don't people just stop believing in government?

Fuck that steaming bullshit

@Lilu I will look into that. LLC/Sole Proprietor?

@Seven Of Swords Because people are fucking weak.

Hmmm...

We killed religion so government has become it. Women don't need fathers anymore because of government.

@Seven Of Swords Tell that to the people in Venezuela LOL

again I'm not the guy to ask. I'm just saying if you want to pay less in taxes then you need to work for yourself

A lot of reasons my dude.

JUNYOR AFK,,, Will be thinking of you all.

Not really work for yourself. Own a business or start investing smart

maritime work for example is free from income tax since the labor is done on the open seas.

Ya there are a million ways

@IceRGodZ How do you own a business?

Employment, self-employment, business man, investor

@IceRGodZ I disagree. I don't need to ever touch my 401k and I contribute tax-free and it grows tax-free. When I retire my income will be small so taxes will be small. I invest in low-fee (0.04%) etfs that return 12% (past 20 years).

the point is that the blue pilled sheeple path is slavery

ESBI

@IceRGodZ Explicitly explain every step of the process in order to achieve that end, in significant detail please.

I thought the bank changes fees for 401K

and they babysit your money

if you want freedom you have to look for freedom. If you are looking for what is holding you back you can only find limitation.

@Seven Of Swords Find a product, service or information to sell. Contact local government for licensing fee (less than $200). Start selling.

Or go sole proprietor and just sell using your SSN instead of an "EIN" or whatever it's called.

You could learn a trade or become a handy man and do work for cash

@IceRGodZ Fuck no. I have my 401k in a brokerage. There are "active management funds" with insane fees where they fuck you. I do "passive investing." Google "The simple path to wealth .pdf" and enjoy 😉

@Lilu You are at risk if you become too successful though.

Cash or not, you "owe" a % to the gov.

@machtyn So just start selling shit with a 200 dollar investment that you don't know if you will be successful or not? Running a business costs more than 200$ so any attempt to build the business that is more than the license means that you lost more than you put in. Unless you suggest to take out a loan and get into debt based upon nothing more than a "maybe"... which seems very unwise to me.

If you're on their radar you get fucked.

I have to jump in the shower and then head out guys. So I'll TTYL.

@Seven Of Swords It depends on the business. If you make an e-book, youtube videos, website it will cost nothing (static sites hosted on GitHub Pages with Cloudflare is free). If you make physical products, yes, it will cost more. If you sell your services it depends. You can start paying nothing and as you start making more and more money getting an LLC or S-Corp may be beneficial for taxes. Then, it will cost $200. You can start a business without any license (depending on the business - selling food is regulated and so depends on laws).

Like @Lilu said - you could become a tradesman in a union/open shop for 5-10 years to gain skills then whenever you feel skilled enough you can become your own "shop" and compete in the market.

For those types of businesses, you'll need licenses/insurance/etc.

In case people sue for tort law.

So, freedom with constraints is your solution?

Not my solution. It's the current system.

So why not change it?

We're not designing better solutions here. Unless you're a policy maker... we have no say in that.

Why aren't you?

Why use the current political system as the method of change?

Its clearly dogshit so we have to think of new systems of change instead...

It's not change. It's survival. Just like with going your own way.

You can lobby, leave or ghost.

Then why not think of new ways to survive rather than the current system's bullshit constructs of what survival is?

If you lobby, I'd support you!

What if lobbying is not good enough?

I personally feel like I am doing well in this system because I am very unconventional in wealth, health and career.

It's not, lol. Lobbying doesn't do shit most of the time.

How about other methods of change that would not require a government or even the invention of a new political party?

Like?

Well... one way could be for a massive worker drop out all across the world.

Satan is the government. Who did satan go after..... *THE WOMAN*

@IceRGodZ I suggest you max out 401k, IRA and HSA every year. It's $27,450 tax advantaged for 2018. It lowers your taxable income too.

And most women are chewing up the government LOL

Billions of people deciding to drop out of the work force, employment and making new systems that are not dependent upon wage labor, money or governments.

@Seven Of Swords If we did that, the government's answer is immigration. Workers leaving is the same as people dying.

Oh, billions? Never will happen.

People need to eat.

@machtyn The people that push papers for immigration would drop out as well...

What do you think would happen if millions of people decided to quit working for the government?

men are leaving workforce

Well, if that happened... basically, a unionization strike of the entire working force... then yes we could do whatever we wanted.

My gen are lazy to work like me

We were not taught to like jobs

We are fucked in the futureeee XD

@Seven Of Swords Why do you think student loans were given out to everyone? Why do you think subprime mortgages were given out? Why do you think credit cards with 30+% are given out?

To create slaves.

So we can't do what you're suggesting.

@IceRGodZ Not necessarily... its just that the current construct of how people have made work are becoming more and more ourdated.

@IceRGodZ How old are you?

20

@IceRGodZ I'm 24.

@machtyn Precisely. So how can you claim that MGTOW is freedom when you just admitted to me that we are all slaves?

I just don't have work or job in my mind at all

Freedom with constraints is dogshit.

Dude, you definitely need to max out your 401k, Roth IRA and HSA if possible. Please read that book I suggested. I started investing 50% of my income at 21 and wish I started earlier.

Empty minded

@IceRGodZ You have a burden of performance so if you don't find something to push your mind, body, soul - you will become depressed.

@machtyn I don't even have a job.

Job interviews are the bullshit I makes me lazier