emotional are 2 under self actualisation

i tihnk 2

ooh

you're right

the top one, that wasn't published but maslow was working on just before he died, was self-transcendence that is actually on top of self-actualisation

just googled it

I've heard of self- transcendence

Don't know how to do that

@JDB yeah but I think there is a reason why we have this void, and the reason take place in childhood. i think some part of the maslow hierarchy are build during childhood. If they are not built well, there are those voids

the only way to self-actualise, and then transcend, is to be alone in your head and 'tidy up' things.

don't really know how to self-actualize either, but I've always thought that you need to meet all of the things below the top of the pyramid before you can self-actualize

@Shido yeah, it';s fustrating but the sooner you become conscious of this the sooner you can fill it and build further layers of 'meaing'

I agree with Shido on this one

I don't think all of my needs were really met during childhood, which is why I have emotional problems

well isnt self-actualising when you, 'self', actually realise, 'actualise', your potential and personal mission in life

I have trouble sticking with meditation

be alone is one the key to face your fears and your negative thoughs

Well being alone without any internet, or technology

go into the woods by yourself and reflect

so the only way to do that is to ask yourself the big questions :(quoting from avatar the last airbender) "who are you? and what do you want!?"

get into nature

yep

running alone with your though, exercice,

i do a thing

a mysterious one

when i learned about the validation concept

i changed my phone number and give it only to my family

i cut everything from social network

i just want to be alone and to face it deeper

if you set urself a goal, you inherit a direction - it doesn't matter if you don't achieve the goal as the real asset is direction - as with direction you have channelled focus and can more easily access a 'flow' state of consciousness

^Very true

You have to be clear with yourself though

@JDB well said

“ The successful warrior is the average man, with laser-like focus.” ― Bruce Lee.

Well, women are the same in every society. What varies is the level of self control that they impose to themselves

the only reason things come in pairs is because we need to diversify our genetic makeup to avoid extinction - if there was no fear for extinction there wud be no women

@Kazemaru true and unfortunately even in places that are better the standard constantly falls

self-reflect>find your passion>commit relentlessly>Self-actualize>realize your potential and personal freedom

For example, women in latin-american countries havê more self control then the ones of the west

@Sigma exactly!

You have to look at people like Muhammed Ali, Bruce Lee, Arnold S, Nikola Tesla, Mushashi, Einstein, Newton, David Goggins, and Many more...A lot of this stuff was explained in the book Mastery by Robert Greene. One thing they all had in common was that they had a life mission or a life's task

Wright brothers

nothing swayed them from their path

Laser like focus and determination

exactly - they felt they had a 'calling'

Is there a quick way to find your calling? That's where I'm stuck right now

I don't currently have one

@Sigma lets see.... Fins a way of transforming your escapism hobbies in productive hobbies

reading could be escapism too, but I rationalize

the thing nowadays is a lot of people don't realise how useful university can be. in robert's book he says that one of they keys to mastery is undertaking an apprenticeship where you accept how little you know, don't question, and just absorb. nowadays people just get onto degrees for the sake of it and don't see it as an apprenticeship where you can have student-master contact.

I could see myself teaching martial arts

@Kazemaru until u find ur calling, escapism can actually be a useful tool if used wisely - escapism allows your subconscious to ponder as your calling comes from ur subconscious not conscious mind

Aye

For example.... If you like animes, use this to learn japanese

@Sigma dream until you have a vision that is so compelling that you stay up all night thinking about it. then commit to it and don't look back

I stayed up all night one time thinking about having my own training facility

@Sigma you're at one of the most pivotable points in ur life man - be true to urself and you'll know when you have ur calling

training/recovery facility

I would love to make a living teaching people how to work out and teaching martial arts

I'd like personal training, but I don't think it pays enough to live

and tiny houses have zoning laws that work against owning one

@Reaper yeah - it's sad because nowadays kids have huge egos and all suffer from the dunn kruger effect - therefore are unwilling to submit themselves to anything where they feel inferior and just need to absorb information without having a chance to question it - they go to school to express themselves without actually building a foundation of knowledge - therefore their expressive thoughts are shallow and meaningless. your pyramid can only be as tall as its base allows - nowadays ppl are just too impatient to take the time to learn fundamentals and the real beauty behind different trades.

@JDB I will have to look into the Dunn kruger effect , I can definetly see this generations egos getting in the way of real growth for them and it's sad

also, the process of accumulating knowledge is 'messy' at school - you have no scope of how things fit together. this is where a master is needed

knowledge should be built upon fundamentals, a layering like process. this way you have a 'rich' understanding of a subject and where various topics stem from. it also allows you to very easily draw parallels to other topics because you have an understanding of a core concept that over-rules many other sub-topics. in school you get taught a bit from everywhere without taking time to fill in the gaps that should connect different strands on knowledge. the process of learning i believe we should learn by is 'mastery learning' - however it has a huge downside being that it takes actual interest and more time to integrate - hence it will never be incorporated in schools. however if you learn like this and reason from a fundamental first principle, your thoughts will be simple but complex and you will be able to move mountains.

That was well put

thank you - it's frustrating because if we all structured our thoughts like this from a young age we would have an extremely logical society that isn't swayed so easily by emotions.

In a college setting, I assume a Master-Apprenticeship is basically working closely with a professor in your field of study on a specific thing

yep exactly

Robert Greene even mentioned how some masters who went to college achieved mastery and it involved working closely with a professor on a project

it's basically one-on-one learning, which is the best way to learn

i'm 20 and i know that i can't actually explain anything that i learned from school from a first principle, nor can i connect topics by an over-arching concept. i'm frustrated that i didn't realise this sooner but at the same time at-least i realise it.

I only realized a lot of this shit within the last two years and I'm 26

@Sigma exactly, most people don't give a shit about their course and don't utilise the opportunity

I feel like I'm far behind

tbh, i feel like you can only really comprehend this at an age of 18+

If I didn't go straight to college right after graduating...omfg

otherwise your influenced too heavily by society and haven't experienced enough self-growth

atleast we've found mgtow, that allows us to develop our consciousness - 95% of people never ask themselves 'why'

better late than never

and if they do, they are scared and disgusted with the answers that get - so they stop after tier 1

All this stuff is exactly what I need at this point

I need a right of passage, which is essentially a mission/journey to embark on

you're young enough to heavily influence your life - you're still 'young' in a broad sense. regardless, even if you're 70, to me atleast, mgtow can bring logic to your life and can validate your own thoughts that you thought were inadequate

@Sigma dream my man, dream until you have a vision that brings you to a deep flow state of consciousness

then you know you've found it

I'll get more clarity when I start working out again

I haven't worked out much lately

yeah, working out is extremely therapeutic and can part the clouds that hide logic

working full time kills me

The clarity of mind after a tough workout alone makes training worth it

Never once in your life will you regret working out

yeah, it's amazing - it allows you to enter a deeper consciousness

* conscious state

Definitely does...nothing beats being in the zone. I've chased that dragon for as long as I've worked out for. Nothing like it

Athletes naturally operate in a higher state of consciousness

even as their baseline, their consciousness is much higher than the average person

i believe 'intelligence' is a state, not something you are - i'm not talking about intelligence through accumulation of knowledge - rather a state where your mind runs near optimal , aka 'flow' therefore the key isn't to become 'intelligent' rather to figure out what your 'key' is that open your 'intelligence'/'flow' state

once you do that, you'll have access to incredible tools within ur mind

I know exactly what you mean

and then you'll make devastatingly big progress in whatever you set your laser-like focus on

You're talking about the infinite intelliegence

what's that

a 'genius' is simply someone who was given that key from a young age

You pretty much defined it, but It's a spiritual and metaphysical type of intelligence that once you reach a certain state of consciousness, you have access to infinite creativity

yea

we can all open that gate, but we look in the wrong places

your genious

i'm still trying to find a consistent key to it, to me the key has been listening to the same song on repeat for weeks until i feel different stages of emotional connection at different points in the song

It's basically intelligence right from the source and it flows through you automatically as your perform

like when you're in the flow state playing music, sports, creating art

also re-enforces the idea of mastery, not hoping to different things

it's almost automatic and these works of art come out as mastpieces

masterpieces*

Tesla had access to this type of connection with the source of infinite intelligence

We can all develop it, Tesla wasn't special or anything.

He just had an intuitive knowing

exactly, the problem with nearly everything in life is that we all have good intentions at heart, but we look in the wrong direction. we enter a maze that we don't know the way out of and when we realise what we'ree looking for isnt 'here', we're lost and cant leave the maze, so we delude ourselves by following social conventions and living off shallow validation from others

This

we create a maze within a maze, to convince ourslves we're out of the one we entered 10+ years ago

I'm going through the maze right now tbh

This conversation is getting me back on track though

got me thinking

we're all lost in a maze, and we'll never find what we're looking for in each instance of our maze - therefore the trick is to never realise we can't find what we're looking for - this will keep the flame, that is hope, burning

This reminds me of a video from Actualized.org "40 Ways society fucks you in the ass"

even when you think you're happy, who's to say that you're not deluding yourself from a maze you're actually lost in ? delusion is good, it's a form of escapism, it can keep you with a strong sense of desire and desire is a source of continuous positive emotion as desire is fueled by hope

something like that title, but an excellent video

@Sigma lol

nvm only 30 ways I'm getting fucked

but still

it's such a great feeling when you make sense, in your own way, of how things connect and add up

yea thats so much better

Everyone thinks your crazy until you succeed, after that you're a genius

it's beautfiul

anyway ive ~~lost my will to live~~ finished studying for my sql midterm for now

yep exactly, steve jobs said "only the ones who are foolish enough to think they can change the world actually do" or smth like that

yea

stay young and foolish

know what

have you read the war of art?

he's basically saying stay young in the sense you have a burning desire

nope

Well the author said, it's actually good to be stupid

because you take risks

if you're foolish, you have the audacity to try something and go after a big goal

Very good book to supplement Mastery

yep, this is why i hate school - they train you to not take risks and to just reason by analogy. when you reason by analogy you can not question the principles that the analogies follow because you don't know them - you need to learn from first principles to quesiton things - the same with being foolish - foolish people are honest with themselves on what they do and don't know and only accept knowledge when it fits into their layered 'tree of knowledge'

It's also about pursuing a life purpose

cool, sounds interesting

i'll add it to my carty

cart*

I got hooked on his writing, I've read most of his other books

Actually, The War of Art is about resistance

sounds like a must-read for personal dev

When you pursue something, you face resistance

He talks about what it is, what forms it comes in, and a little bit on how to defeat it

Distractions, escapism, those are forms of resistance that distract you from pursuing your purpose

family, friends, judgement, emotions

who's the author?

Steven Pressfield

i think that's how you spell his last name

cool ,ty

can I DM a youtube link?

I think you'll love this channel too

ofc

Tou guys ever feel like time is flying too fast?

I just turned 17 and Im like what the fuck it was just last year i was 14

In 1 year i will be considered an adult, i aint ready for that shit

@Deleted User feels even faster once you hit 20 bro

Yea im 23 and 3 months ago was yesterday

I thought about chilling through my teens and learning skills later

Now i think i better get started

Guys, my 20s was yesterday what happened? I went to bed and now I'm in my 30s.

^

*The days are long but the years are short*

@Rhunespire time is relative

The older se are, more fast time passes

I renember a lot o things of when I was a kid, between 8 and 12

Yeah of course

Thise were 4 long years because every week there it was something new, a a new memory

But my last 4 yrs were a blink. What found memories I havê? I can count in the fingers

January was yesterday, right? 🤨

Time passes only as fast as you use it.

Yea but ya get tired and then not use the time, discord doesn’t help

😐

Long days and short days are based on perception and experience. It depends on what you've done in the 24 hours you've been given.

If your days are flying by and it's an issue, try changing the way you live them.

Make your days last a lifetime.

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Lifeless in high school...RIP

Age isn't as big of a factor as how old you feel, look and what you have achieved..

I am lifeless in high school... Other students live with blind optimism while I worry about upcoming issues that I may face.

That's fairly healthy @Oniichan Of The West

What the hell is up

I slowly grow to accept the problems I will face and acceptance toward the fact that my masculinity will be repeatedly attacked... leading to a decline in motivation, optimism and ambition to a degree.

Nah don't worry about that. Look after your balls and you'll get through shit just fine - just focus on being healthy and achieving your goals, don't stress by stuff that's way outside your immediate control

Tis difficult, though strangely enough part of me relishes the thought of the world trying to hold me back

He who fight monsters will become a monster

@Oniichan Of The West easy mode in any game is less fun and less rewarding

use obstacles as motivation 😃

can't blame them, they're programmed to take the easiest options available

real blame goes to the weak chodes that enable the said behaviors

A lot of challenges my way but hey, It'll shape me into one hell of a man

yip, or if they're born ugly

and even then.. lots of privileges

So how have y'all been lately?

tired and lost, but getting back on track

sounds nice

y'know how mathematics is an application of logic - , and chem, physics, and computer science are applications of mathematics - what is logic an application of?

is logic just an application of a boolean thoughts process? where the output is either 1 or 0

I couldn't answer that, I haven't studied logic much

What would Rational thinking be with regards to logic?

np - it's interesting to ponder about logic deriving from a boolean like logic

and how, with quantum computing, there will be a third option

so boolean logic will be revolutionised

1s and 0s seems like black and white thinking. I don't think things can be explained in black and white

raitonal thinking must derive from a reasonning that runs on boolean logic gates

plus Logic may only be able to go so far to explain things. Some things that occur are beyond the logic we're capable of

what kind of things can't be reasoned by logic?

i thought that, if you decompose enough, you can reason anything with boolean logic

@Knight of Sunlight ofc she can

anything that science, mathematics, chemistry, can't explain due to the lack of our understanding and the appropriate technology to study natural phenomena that occurs in the universe

Everything a man does is rape according to the feminist

yep

There is so much that we know and much more that we don't know that we don't know

I recently lost my place because of a psychotic feminist vegan bitch

well partly because of her

How do you explain astral projection by logic for example?

astral projection isnt a material thing but immaterial

my dad does it all the time

I've done it a few times myself

if we rewind 4000 years ago, we couldn't explain a lot of the things we can explain now with boolean logic - therefore can't we just say the same about things we don't currently understand? just because we can't reason something with logic now, doesn't mean that it doesn't obey the principle that logic runs on - it just means we're not asking the right questions for boolean logic gates

Their are things beyond our normal perception

I have too but not consciously-- while asleep

pretty much @Knight of Sunlight

a feminist lied against me in court four weeks ago claiming I constantly tried to force myself on her AND her two and four year old daughters

a feminist lied against me in court four weeks ago claiming I constantly tried to force myself on her AND her two and four year old daughters

she was partly angry cuz I wouldnt sleep with her

yeah exactly @Sigma , i can't explain or reason it - i'm looking forward to see how/ if we can reason it - maybe there's a new dimension that we're just not looking at - quantum computers will be a game changer

and partly cuz I wasn't impressed by her performance (her feminism and man-hating)

@JDB that makes sense, but we're limited right now. In another 100 years, even we'll further understand things we don't know right now

Things we don't understand right now, perhaps in the future the logic in that time frame will be able to explain certain things

exactly, another interesting concept to think about is upgrading/downgrading our comprehendible dimensions

logic gates run on a 1d plane, what would happen if we extended the choice to a 2d plane

that's exactly how quantum computers work. before computers only accepted 1/0, yes/no, heads/tails. whereas quantum computers will work with header/tails/ontheside

If you want to talk about dimensions, we're 3D beings and there could potentially be infinite dimensions in either direction

exactly, but imagine if we could reason with a different dimension of thought - i'm thinking about how that would manifest itself

it gets complicated lemme tell you

Is hermit streaming on YouTube? I can't see it

I have seen and interacted with beings that are not human