I've got no issue with traditionalism. It's the only reasonable way to organize society. I do take issue with how people who advocate traditionalism will also advocate things like gender equality, only really opposing the most recent iterations of feminism.

A request to any YouTube critics here: Please call out the wedgie fetish community at Deviant Art and the Girls-Wedgies group for me will ya? be sure to pay attention to their Discord conversations too. They just LOVE to bully and ridicule people they disagree with. They're literally like a bunch of narcissistic girls in high school gossiping about innocent boys who are 'not' handsome Chads, just to satisfy their insecurities.

Either that, or the server was like reliving that God-awful special ed program I was forced to in middle school. Nightmare.

yeah it's crazy I watched a video on the history. It always swings left and right every other election.

does anyone have any links to free/cheap microsoft office. my pirated version stopped working today and all the ones on piratebay aren't working

Problem is they've forgotten the traditions that make it all WORK

My office is working perfectly @Happy Humble Hermit. I just have to re-use the crack every six months.

I'll PM the link.

ty

@Happy Humble Hermit OpenOffice might help until someone can provide a better answer, helped me in college anyway

They're ultimately scared of enforcing women's end of the bargain.

Oh, good, problem solved

@KD They can't stand up to them when they're so worried about getting sex once a month or worse

...i may have drank my whisky too fast

Reasonable way?!? Traditionalism is hardly reasonable, religions is definitely unreasonable. The main ones who say this are often lazy sex-addicts who just want some cunt, and the white picket fence. They want the spoon-fed luxury or country life. They are almost as pathetic as their female counterparts.

@Roundabout Lout Nailed it right on the head. Sex is their main focus.

The sex stuff sounds like projection.

Sex =/= love, you ding dongs :D

The white picket fence is a superficial strawman

It's a fucking buzzword, and that you use it makes you look stupid

The main reason traditionalism worked for so long was because of religion, monarchy, and draconian law enforcement. It simply was just 'lucky' enough to survive because of those factors.

And censorship was crucial to ensuring traditionalism works. They relied on censorship to prolong it.

Now they are being on the shit end of the censor ray gun and they are running scared.

@shadowlessnexus same. i just ate dinner before the show

It survived quite naturally before things like the welfare state.

im already too drunk XDXD

What makes the current system possible is all of the government intervention.

It was not capable of this amount of micromanagement and wealth redistribution in the past, and often communities had to enforce justice.

It survived for centuries because of religion and government were a combined force.

@shadowlessnexus lmao sounds like a party.

No, the non-traditionalists societies just died off. It's that simple.

That is why the Orthodox Church existed in the Renaissance Age.To purge anti or non trad societies as well as relgiious non-believers or those deemed 'defective' - homosexuals, asexuals, virgins, and disabled.

Specifically the non-patriarchal societies.

Also, your bullshit claims don't have any real reasoning behind them.

They're not convincing

Whelp, think we found ourselves a tradcon here folks.

Oh no, how scary

He thinks my points are "bullshit". More like he's afraid of his ideals being criticized. Traditionalism is cancer. Point, blank, and simple.

The problem is, you're just making ridiculous claims, and you don't provide any reason to believe them.

For example, how is saying that traditionalism requires monarchy any easier to believe than saying traditionalism is unnatural?

Ridiculous claims mate?!? It's not rocket science to google the atrocious actions and convictions of the Orthodox Church or the consequences of merging religion with government.

I said traditionalism relies on censorship to survive, and a monarchy helped achieved this. An era of kings and queens, or dynasty of emperors, helped maintain this.

There was also the hard patriarchy that used to exist,

I'm not talking about the Orthodox Church, and you've not even really justified it's relevance

You think many people would just cater or continue obeying traditional values if there was not so much pressure from the government or social religious influence? The best way for someone to obey a policy is to make them fear it's enforcers. A feared power is often the most effective power. Tradcons used fear and intimidation to keep others in line. Shaming men who are single; shaming homosexuals, especially gays; shaming those with disabilities such as autism; shaming those who are self-aware and self-independent.

Why do you think MGTOW is even able to exist? If traditionalist power was still dominant and as effective, we'd might have been arrested for even discussing MGTOW.

Best hentai quote: "This isnt any ordinary penis, it's the root of lust!"

wut

MGTOW is a coping mechanism.

mgtow is a survival strategy

It's how men cope in a modern feminist society

@The Tradesman I see it more as a thriving philosophy

https://invidio.us/watch?v=Koh04eht6Bo

Plenty of men want to have families, but because they know how absurd our current society is towards men, they have to go MGTOW

Watch this and then you'll agree it's a survival strategy

I used to want a family, but mgtow showed me that my greatest enemy was tribalism. I never even liked sharing my bed! How the hell was I going to share every second of my being?

lol

To quote Lord Xenon of Disgaea: "I am a being of solitude."

Ok, time to ditch the phone for the keyboard, vodka is setting in

So fucking what?!? Gaming is also a cope, yet the trads still try to censor that. They try to censor porn, fetishes, violent entertainment, and any means that allow one to isolate themselves and function better alone. They want people like me to suffer in order to "man up!"

They'd rather see men suffer than find escapes or go their own way.

join the club fam @Roundabout Lout XD

XD

Solitude vs. loneliness. I FUCKING love solitude

Exactly, I love solitude too, But traditionalists hate it.

I saw what it did to my father, and don't want the same.

If I want to hang out with my friends, I call or text them and see if they want to hang out

My friends who have families are a lot harder to do so with for obvious reasons

I had to ditch real life friends. Between the drugs, stubborn beliefs rooted in gynocentrism, self loathing, and using every one around them for various types of resources, I bowed out and went monk years before taking the red pill

A lot of us discovered MGTOW in different ways before actually knowing what it was

I'll admit I still hoped for a gf during that time, but was strong enough to say no to obvious trouble....at least before it was too late.

Just that first sentence makes me cringe now :D

What heck is with all the futa stuff on the TFM chat

People being jackasses

This is why westerners suck dick at Otaku Culture.

It's takes a lot of guts and steel to go red pill. Even much more of that it takes to go black pill.

But when you are at the black pill route, you can see a better picture of what's wrong with our society as a whole. The red pill still gives a bias as it seems to just view women as the key factor and gynocentrism as the root, but it's more than that.

I respectfully disagree, those who go black pill often change their minds once a crazy chick jumps on their 🍆

Bullshit! I hope you are not confusing black pill with bloody incels.

lol

They are two vaslty different factions.

Keep it civil gentlemen, we are here to share and learn not fight.

@Roundabout Lout do you think black pill is an advanced form of red pill, red pill regression or a lateral.

I said respectfully, I'm just sharing thoughts, no harm meant

genuinely curious.

I don't delve into black pill much. I'm in learning perspective mode.

@MufflePuff It really depends on the person I guess. My perspective was black pilled with no red pill I guess

Incels are still blue-pilled cucks crying about sex. Black pilled men are usually the ones who go full monk and ghost. It is the upgrade of a red-pill in the heirarchy. The Level 4 MGTOW are already close to black-pill realm.

Interesting.

I took black pill as someone who gave up on self improvement

Nihilism, basically

similar understanding here

I get what you're saying, but that would make me black pilled, as I'm waiting for hockey mask time, but I care about myself more than the extremely cynical I have personally met

That depends on which side of nihilism. If it is the neutrals, yeah, they're lazy and counterproductive, and care-free. But there is also the progressive and regressive sides. The former which I am part of, are the people who usually go solo by default and focus on themselves and their goals. Self-improvement is an important factor to the progressives. The regressives on the other hand are the ones who are bitter and spiteful of people and either lock away, suicide or go on a mass shooting spree. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold stuff at the worst case scenario. Pray you don't fall into that category, and that is what the progressive route exists for - to prevent going completely to the dark side or becoming The Joker.

Why would you give up on self-improvement my guy?

TFM Stream: never thought about that

It's not perfect and it is not for everyone but those who are vigilant and resilient enough to handle it can reap the great benefits it will sow.

Living a successful life as a single man pursuing goals and future.

@Iheanacho I follow, it is all just abstract words and labels by the end of the day. I never imagined there was a more positive black pill. I would have never personally considered them black pill if they had hope for themselves

Thanks

That's why one simply has to understand nihilism and it's forms and how they work. Metaphysical, Epistemological, Mereological, Existential, Moral, Political, etc.

Spetznaz - "The Disposable Male" is super powerful. Found that early on in my MGTOW journey.

^

Almost too powerful to bear. So raw.

It's a compliated philosophy that demands dedication to understand.

Also many nihilism are different and fluid from one another, considering it is a free-for-all idealology after all. At least MGTOW has some for of brotherhood; nihilists are on their own sides.

Everyone for themselves.

No true allegiances.

Ask a school doctor, ADHD/ADD runs in the "balls"-family.

Maybe I'm MGTOW because I craved that brotherhood, I can't deny that possibility as a human being

i have add

im not medicated tho

ive learned to handle it myself

Good work @shadowlessnexus , we don't need any of that artificial bs they push, does more damage than good imo

I don't blame you for it @Roundabout Lout . As said, the black pill is not for everyone. Most men long for a brotherhood, both MGTOW, MRAs, the simps, and even PUAs are not immune to it.

yee

i was on it for a bit. but then once i got my shit together i stopped

@shadowlessnexus sadly you are your best doctor in most cases.

Well, hold it against me if you want, but I want to find brotherhood here :)

You guys are cool and legit

i dont consider it sad. its good. i am powerful. i control my own destiny

I visit Dr. Google multiple times per year.

lol

Hell yes @shadowlessnexus here here 🍻

🍻

It is sad though because Doctor's are supposed to doctor. Not pill-push.

I do not hold it against you. I am saying it is ok to desire brotherhood. It's mere preference and perfectly natural. As a matter of fact, I respected MGTOW much more than I ever did in my life since 2017, and more than I do the Manosphere.

Too many jaded doctors, male and fenale

hospitals suck ass

That'd be like if I went to the mechanic and they always told me I needed to get a new car or replace the engine every time. Or subscribe to their repair program.

Why not just fix it or teach me how.

^

TFM Stream: Lmao karate chop action.

I forgot how awesome hentai is.

So interesting.

So true, part of my acceptance came from seeing my parents get drunk and argue 1-3 times a week

Referring to the TFM stream if not clear

I find myself hearing TFM saying everything I think.

May have to indulge more often.

More so, the MGTOW have effectively proven to the world, men are not beyond reason and salvation. They can and will eventually rebel and revolt after being abused and oppressed for too long by their society and the women it pampers and empowers. Granted the MRM already beat them to it but they are more so trying to change the system and restore some of the past or at least alter the present to make it easier for men. The MGTOW is simply walking away from it all and avoiding it like the plague. Only the fellow men of the faction are supported and aided. The outsiders are not their problem.

MRM let themselves fall to politics and the women in their lives, we have that advantage, dating or not

It must have been nice being a Hollywood Weinstein. No good deed goes unpunished though. Seemed like a great exchange rate to me.

^

Movie role for a blowjob? That's cheap as hell. Honorable even.

STEAL

Sleazy, but legal and within his means. What is happening is entirely unjust

I would have gladly fucked Oprah for a career push.

Whaaaaaat?

Exactly, and that is what you guys have that the MRM lacks; resilience and self-ownership. Most MRAs are blue pill men who became a little smarter enough to have some awareness of their lives, but they don't want to accept the dark truth about women in general and are unwilling to protect themselves from their own lovers and instead just pray on good faith they don't betray them. They are only willing to accept that from feminists women. Hell, most of the MRAs are actually tradcons who want a bit of justice and fairness for their fellow male slaves.

I would have thanked Oprah for the opportunity and referred friends.

Whaaaaaaaat.

But What MGTOW is achieving is what nihilists had difficulty relaying. MGTOW and nihilism are not particularly allies, but MGTOW is a necessity that benefits nihilism indirectly.

lol

Funny but that's EXACTLY what women do all day.

For generations.

But now it's MeToo.

They're fucking up the game smh.

So stupid.

Someone on the TFM show just said something important.

If I were a new actress I would be salty lmao

"These bitches are fucking up the game"

"Now I can't even get an audition!!!"

lol, at least the Hunger Games thot knew the value she got and kept her mouth shut

For anyone who is, what are we drinking tonight, gentlemen? Beluga Noble vodka here

@shadowlessnexus may have passed out by now

lol, he's in his right to

Even TFM is saying something really interesting.

i didnt

😄

get in chat i

I never found a mic 😦

TFM is being as raw as I can't be without people getting triggered.

TFM is always that raw

"people"

Cue the NPC

is he still talking to that fucking terrible guy about his hooker and shit

Every server needs that emote imo

@shadowlessnexus He got flushed long ago

well you know what. im having too much fun in this chat

so imma stay here

Me too

lol

No pound

To be honest, TFM's discord makes me laugh, but I feel a little more at home here. Is that crazy?

Naw, the YouTube chat seems scattered.

I was on another channel like that.

Feminism won. Love that. So true.

Cool. I still remember engaging in the Twitch chat a year ago, and it was never this thoughtful while also laid back

Yeah I tried to tune in a long time ago, it was nothing like this. Feels different, more organized.

Feminism won, and people won't admit it just because they don't subscribe

I might be wrong.

They won't admit it because they either reap the benefits of it or are scared of it with the feminist boot on their necks.

It's so hard to tell people how fucked the family court is unless they went through it, and EVEN THEN they still cuck for family or thots being f'D

@MufflePuff YUP

They don't even know why they're scared, they just know "you don't talk like that"

@MufflePuff Yup, they'll treat me like I will be just as judgemental. But they act with that same thought in mind, letting their daughters leech and monkey branch without restraint

TFM Stream: Yeah man, imagine if none of this existed. If it were a red-pilled world.

Smh

I wish

We would be so far advanced.

Everyone working together.

And women would be happy! That's the hilarious part

The Nazis have won brothers. We lost the World War.

Building eachother up.

The Feminist Third Reich have conquered holy America. Hole up and survive. Last stand time.

Whelp that is the only part of TFM I do not like. His doomsday talk about "muslims gonna kill ALL men, rape and enslave all women!" It's an exaggeration to some degree.

I say we wait till the world collapses as a civilization, then let the military veterans take control and enact a government like the Federation of Terra in Starship Troopers only with one caveat; women cannot enter federal service of any kind; public office or military - keep the power of the vote a sovereign issue for "Citizens", not civilians and away from the hands of women. SERVICE GARUNTEES CITIZENSHIP.

Yeah there gonna kill a lot of men, but they are not stupid enough to purge them all, they gonna spare and convert them.

It COULD happen to be fair, not absolute, but it COULD

I like that @Rhunespire , It's a nice, and natural way to establish the PIMP HAND

TFM Stream: Everyone I talk to in trades said they are desperate for new guys.

Heinlein was ahead of his time.

The Islamists are also don't have a steel track record of sparing women the axe either, despite enslaving them in cloaks and burkas. They are gonna kill plenty of women on sight and keep some, especially based on race. White women are likely to get the axe whereas black ones will likely be slaves. There is a tradition there against westerners in the rules of war and conquest. Especially Afghanistans. It helps to have US military friends who are knowledgeable of Middle Eastern culture.

He designed a liberal utopia with low taxes, small government and rights to the populace - no oppression or anything

White women will likely be kept as sex slaves as the Koran permits such things

I used to work construction, which I hear the inspectors are being taken over by wahmen who sit in their car. I can tell you we would have lost 80% of profit or more that way.

We worked HARD and made little profit due to a difficult market, they would have bankrupted us in current year

I worked in Construction Project Management, women were a minority.

The ones there were savages though. In a good way.

One was feared. She was my regional manager. Dropped the hammer HARRDD.

I met no women during my time there, apart from insurance secretaries, that's how it should have stayed

@MufflePuff That's awesome, my boss wanted that kind of position for me. How difficult was it?

TFM Stream: he's on the right track.

@Roundabout Lout NO

Thing is Round, is is NOT the age of Sargon of Akkad. Not all Middle Eastern immigrants are not savage barbarians or hyper-betas. They will likely do what the Nazi Germans and Italians did and spare more men a little more than they would women. They do want to expand and empower their cultures and nations. Slaughtering off every last male does not bring much benefits to power.

Stressful as FUCK

TFM is usually right, almost always almost right

Well, it probably depends on the type of construction.

Blacks are Afro descendants of Isreal, especially Nigerian-descent. They tend to protect blacks and Jews the most.

Especially Isreal.

I had to go. Sweet as hell job, but not for me long-term.

(・。・;

I think really if there is anyone that is likely to die off, it is white men, women, and children.

@MufflePuff Yeah, I can imagine. My boss left me to sales while trying to find labor monkeys. Problem was it was a franchise with drug testing, I was the only one who passed. My boss couldn't replace me on that line alone

Oh ok

It all depends

I worked too much labor while being expected to make sales, which demands constant daily attention

They really hate the Caucasians due to the history of colonization and cultural warfare. Isreal is still bitter about the Nazis ravaging their nation and the Allies occupying their nation after WW2. They had to fight off the US and British armies for independence.

I could have done better, but still not good enough

How many tariffs have the Americans enforced?

That inflation shite....

Ho man, not sure if its getting worse or better now.

Any way I can join TFM's stream chat?

Always worse

I got some stuff I wanna say to him. Good stuff.

Once our trade disagreement with China ends, our economy will flourish more

Oh and meet RGE.

For a while, anyway

RGE is awesome

China? What is going on with them?

TFM Stream: Yeah, I have a friend who hires randoms as amateur hookers and have fucked over 100 women. But he lives off the government in his mom's basement.