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2020-11-05 07:38:43 UTC

> @beni All states have that no matter their "strength"
@GussTR
You won't see that in china, every company is government's dog there.

2020-11-05 07:45:33 UTC

> I personally belief weak state and leniency in economic policies ultimately lead to rich lobbying in government
@beni no. The companies directly pay the political parties that's why. It's not about the govt. The day politicians start getting funds from different sources, all of them are fucked

2020-11-05 13:51:07 UTC

@beni that whats corperations are dumbass

2020-11-05 13:58:52 UTC

Great you proved yourself to be really smart. Congrats.

2020-11-05 14:05:00 UTC

Yiu proved that you know nothing about how the state functions yet you advocate for full state control. Congrats brainlet

2020-11-05 22:37:07 UTC

Yo

2020-11-07 07:23:10 UTC

the video has an missleading headline: Socialism Vs Capitalism Debate =/= Marxism Vs Capitalism Debate

2020-11-07 07:27:14 UTC

if they did not even know that how bad will be the rest

2020-11-07 07:27:51 UTC
2020-11-07 07:28:08 UTC

It's pretty good, I like both the speakers

2020-11-07 07:29:49 UTC

well ok which parts of it would you say are good i skipped into it for 1 time and they talked without any numbers so far i see. Is currency part of debate yes or no?

2020-11-07 07:29:56 UTC

Lol zoomer

2020-11-07 07:29:56 UTC

GG @Arcas, you just advanced to level 1!

2020-11-07 07:29:58 UTC

Just watch

2020-11-07 07:30:28 UTC

They have both made lots of good points and interesting statements so far

2020-11-07 07:30:40 UTC

is currency part of it?

2020-11-07 07:30:52 UTC

Not yet there's still like 50 minutes left

2020-11-07 07:31:32 UTC

say me if it is and i skip to that blind point in both marxism and the so called capitalism.

2020-11-07 07:31:44 UTC

what?

2020-11-07 07:33:10 UTC

well marxism economics ignore the difference between goods and currency (its both just capital in there textes whats bullshit) and capitalism speak nonsense like you have to save money bevore it can be credited (whats also nonsense becouse that does not solve the question how the money even come into the system)

2020-11-07 07:38:20 UTC

>economists don't understand money

2020-11-07 07:38:23 UTC

๐Ÿง 

2020-11-07 07:38:46 UTC

its as i said they realy do not understand it

2020-11-07 07:39:35 UTC

ask an economics whats the job of a bank is if he says banks lends money you know he do not understand money at all.

2020-11-07 07:40:20 UTC

As with all sciences generalizations and simplifications are often made in explanation

2020-11-07 07:40:29 UTC

The idea that economists don't understand money is moronic

2020-11-07 07:40:58 UTC

but well it is how it is many economics just do not understand money

2020-11-07 07:41:31 UTC

i mean ask an economics how money is created can he answer you that question?

2020-11-07 07:42:42 UTC

The question has to be treated in two parts, due to a split in the way money is talked about in academic economics. She suggested that โ€œmoney and bankingโ€ was treated differently from โ€œmacroeconomicsโ€. Money and banking was seen as on the fringe somewhat, โ€œa frivolous optionโ€. Keynes said, when he was writing the General Theory, that he thought that what he was writing would revolutionise the way the world thought. He had a theory where โ€œmoney permeated the entire economyโ€. In modern economics, though, the role of money is separated from the whole analysis.

She said that economics thinks of itself as uncovering universal truths rather than being based in the context of its time. For example, the quantity theory of money is based in a historical period where gold was a major factor.

When she was a student in the late 1950s, she said, it was widely understood that loans create deposits. Now students are told that deposits create loans, which is wrong.

Much of neo-classical economics โ€œregard banks as glorified safes.โ€ However, โ€œbanks do not lend moneyโ€ she stated. They donโ€™t have a pot of money that they are passing on.

It is the ability of banks to create money that led Keynes to say that investment came before savings.

During the Q & A session after her presentation at the conference, Prof Chick expanded upon her main points. To a question about whether some academics were being โ€œbought offโ€, she replied that there is something that โ€œseeps into the veins of academiaโ€ rather than people being deliberately โ€œbought offโ€. Although some had been โ€œbought offโ€ she said, if youโ€™ve seen the film, Inside Job.

There is also social pressure to conform, she said. โ€œYou are just not part of the gangโ€ if you donโ€™t go along with the dominant ideology.

2020-11-07 07:58:33 UTC
2020-11-07 08:00:00 UTC

So was a Keynes a socialist or free markets guy?

2020-11-07 08:00:05 UTC
2020-11-07 08:00:14 UTC

ether nor

2020-11-07 08:00:21 UTC

...

2020-11-07 08:00:33 UTC

maybe you can call him an non-marxism socialist

2020-11-07 08:00:49 UTC

So what was the basic principle of his theory?

2020-11-07 08:01:04 UTC

And isint the main function of banks to lend loans?

2020-11-07 08:01:27 UTC

well thats the main point of the video and also keynes

2020-11-07 08:01:30 UTC

think about it

2020-11-07 08:01:44 UTC

if banks loan money where do the have the money from?

2020-11-07 08:01:59 UTC

From deposits.......?

2020-11-07 08:02:24 UTC

รคhm deposits have them from where?

2020-11-07 08:02:33 UTC

People

2020-11-07 08:02:41 UTC

and they have them from banks?

2020-11-07 08:03:01 UTC

No they get them from their salaries and shit

2020-11-07 08:03:36 UTC

but you see the companys first need a credit bevvore they can invest with this credit they also pay thre workers which results in bank creates money

2020-11-07 08:04:12 UTC

So where do you think money comes from and what is the purpose of banks?

2020-11-07 08:04:27 UTC

money is created via credit

2020-11-07 08:04:28 UTC

I know it's the central bank which prints out

2020-11-07 08:04:35 UTC

also depts is created that way

2020-11-07 08:04:46 UTC

*debts?

2020-11-07 08:05:01 UTC

the other side of money is debts

2020-11-07 08:05:15 UTC

No you mis wrote it, so I asked

2020-11-07 08:05:27 UTC

So what exactly is credit?

2020-11-07 08:06:22 UTC

credit is giving out an paper which says can be exchanged at the bank against banknotes. (bank accounts are also like papers which can be exchanged against banknotes)

2020-11-07 08:06:44 UTC

while at this process you get an claim for banknotes

2020-11-07 08:07:03 UTC

But isint money also the same thing, but you can claim to exchange it for goods

2020-11-07 08:07:28 UTC

the same thing as?

2020-11-07 08:07:34 UTC

Credit

2020-11-07 08:07:47 UTC

well there are different kind of money

2020-11-07 08:07:53 UTC

Like they are both guarantees of sorts right....

2020-11-07 08:07:56 UTC

banknotes =/= fiat money

2020-11-07 08:08:12 UTC

Uhhh, what is general currency called?

2020-11-07 08:08:17 UTC

Which we use daily

2020-11-07 08:08:26 UTC

Trump stole votes from Kanye and split it

2020-11-07 08:08:31 UTC

Kanye shoudve won

2020-11-07 08:08:54 UTC

@justkaus its euro but wellthere are euro bank notes and also euro fiat money.

2020-11-07 08:09:11 UTC

i would have german videos about it but well that does not help

2020-11-07 08:09:27 UTC

Ok ok. Let's go to the main point

2020-11-07 08:09:32 UTC

Who gives credit?

2020-11-07 08:09:43 UTC

Govt?

2020-11-07 08:10:05 UTC

for giving credit (fiat money) you need a bank, banks give credit

2020-11-07 08:10:21 UTC

you have goverment which makes rules for gioving credits

2020-11-07 08:10:52 UTC

> for giving credit (fiat money) you need a bank, banks give credit
@hororizon44575 and money comes from credit. So it's right to claim money comes from banks?

2020-11-07 08:10:58 UTC

and you have ecb which says you need an minimum of guarantys to give out an amount of credits

2020-11-07 08:11:09 UTC

yes money comes from credit

2020-11-07 08:11:22 UTC

thats why all this saying bank lends money is bullshit

2020-11-07 08:11:22 UTC

I meant banks

2020-11-07 08:11:29 UTC

No no, read it again

2020-11-07 08:11:35 UTC

I did a typo

2020-11-07 08:12:32 UTC

oh well yes it has to be banks (central banks are also banks which gives an other kind of credit to the bank) #interbankenhandel (in german)

2020-11-07 08:12:46 UTC

Yeah, so it is banks

2020-11-07 08:13:08 UTC

So if banks are the source of money. Why it's wrong to say they lend money?

2020-11-07 08:13:19 UTC

According to you, what's the purpose of banks?

2020-11-07 08:13:36 UTC

becouse lending means you have saved samething which you can than land out

2020-11-07 08:13:53 UTC

banks do not have saved samething they creat samething thats an completly other thing

2020-11-07 08:14:41 UTC

banks creat money and destroy money when credits are liquidated

2020-11-07 08:15:33 UTC

Ah, ok

2020-11-07 08:15:36 UTC

while how much they can create and in which rules is different from countrys

2020-11-07 08:15:40 UTC

That makes sense

2020-11-07 08:16:03 UTC

So what is the main purpose of banks? To keep putting money into the system?

2020-11-07 08:17:05 UTC

well it depends who you ask. if they would not be privat i would say to guranty the right amount of money is in the sysem which does not couse high inflation or deflation rates

2020-11-07 08:17:20 UTC

but well banks are privat which brings them to make as much money

2020-11-07 08:17:35 UTC

which results in giving credits with the most return of invest

2020-11-07 08:17:58 UTC

the return of invest are the interest rates

2020-11-07 08:18:36 UTC

I see

2020-11-07 08:19:01 UTC

while you also have the risk of if the other party can not pay back you actualy make a lose

2020-11-07 08:19:01 UTC

I have some more questions, just wait for some time. Gtg

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