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> I personally belief weak state and leniency in economic policies ultimately lead to rich lobbying in government
@beni no. The companies directly pay the political parties that's why. It's not about the govt. The day politicians start getting funds from different sources, all of them are fucked
Great you proved yourself to be really smart. Congrats.
Yiu proved that you know nothing about how the state functions yet you advocate for full state control. Congrats brainlet
Yo
the video has an missleading headline: Socialism Vs Capitalism Debate =/= Marxism Vs Capitalism Debate
if they did not even know that how bad will be the rest
It's pretty good, I like both the speakers
well ok which parts of it would you say are good i skipped into it for 1 time and they talked without any numbers so far i see. Is currency part of debate yes or no?
Lol zoomer
Just watch
They have both made lots of good points and interesting statements so far
is currency part of it?
Not yet there's still like 50 minutes left
say me if it is and i skip to that blind point in both marxism and the so called capitalism.
what?
well marxism economics ignore the difference between goods and currency (its both just capital in there textes whats bullshit) and capitalism speak nonsense like you have to save money bevore it can be credited (whats also nonsense becouse that does not solve the question how the money even come into the system)
>economists don't understand money
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its as i said they realy do not understand it
ask an economics whats the job of a bank is if he says banks lends money you know he do not understand money at all.
As with all sciences generalizations and simplifications are often made in explanation
The idea that economists don't understand money is moronic
but well it is how it is many economics just do not understand money
i mean ask an economics how money is created can he answer you that question?
The question has to be treated in two parts, due to a split in the way money is talked about in academic economics. She suggested that โmoney and bankingโ was treated differently from โmacroeconomicsโ. Money and banking was seen as on the fringe somewhat, โa frivolous optionโ. Keynes said, when he was writing the General Theory, that he thought that what he was writing would revolutionise the way the world thought. He had a theory where โmoney permeated the entire economyโ. In modern economics, though, the role of money is separated from the whole analysis.
She said that economics thinks of itself as uncovering universal truths rather than being based in the context of its time. For example, the quantity theory of money is based in a historical period where gold was a major factor.
When she was a student in the late 1950s, she said, it was widely understood that loans create deposits. Now students are told that deposits create loans, which is wrong.
Much of neo-classical economics โregard banks as glorified safes.โ However, โbanks do not lend moneyโ she stated. They donโt have a pot of money that they are passing on.
It is the ability of banks to create money that led Keynes to say that investment came before savings.
During the Q & A session after her presentation at the conference, Prof Chick expanded upon her main points. To a question about whether some academics were being โbought offโ, she replied that there is something that โseeps into the veins of academiaโ rather than people being deliberately โbought offโ. Although some had been โbought offโ she said, if youโve seen the film, Inside Job.
There is also social pressure to conform, she said. โYou are just not part of the gangโ if you donโt go along with the dominant ideology.
> https://positivemoney.org/2013/03/why-dont-economists-understand-money-new-video/
@hororizon44575 this video felt one hour long, but I somehow finished it
So was a Keynes a socialist or free markets guy?
ether nor
...
maybe you can call him an non-marxism socialist
So what was the basic principle of his theory?
And isint the main function of banks to lend loans?
well thats the main point of the video and also keynes
think about it
if banks loan money where do the have the money from?
From deposits.......?
รคhm deposits have them from where?
People
and they have them from banks?
No they get them from their salaries and shit
but you see the companys first need a credit bevvore they can invest with this credit they also pay thre workers which results in bank creates money
So where do you think money comes from and what is the purpose of banks?
money is created via credit
I know it's the central bank which prints out
also depts is created that way
*debts?
the other side of money is debts
No you mis wrote it, so I asked
So what exactly is credit?
credit is giving out an paper which says can be exchanged at the bank against banknotes. (bank accounts are also like papers which can be exchanged against banknotes)
while at this process you get an claim for banknotes
But isint money also the same thing, but you can claim to exchange it for goods
the same thing as?
Credit
well there are different kind of money
Like they are both guarantees of sorts right....
banknotes =/= fiat money
Uhhh, what is general currency called?
Which we use daily
Trump stole votes from Kanye and split it
Kanye shoudve won
@justkaus its euro but wellthere are euro bank notes and also euro fiat money.
i would have german videos about it but well that does not help
Ok ok. Let's go to the main point
Who gives credit?
Govt?
for giving credit (fiat money) you need a bank, banks give credit
you have goverment which makes rules for gioving credits
> for giving credit (fiat money) you need a bank, banks give credit
@hororizon44575 and money comes from credit. So it's right to claim money comes from banks?
and you have ecb which says you need an minimum of guarantys to give out an amount of credits
yes money comes from credit
thats why all this saying bank lends money is bullshit
I meant banks
No no, read it again
I did a typo
oh well yes it has to be banks (central banks are also banks which gives an other kind of credit to the bank) #interbankenhandel (in german)
Yeah, so it is banks
So if banks are the source of money. Why it's wrong to say they lend money?
According to you, what's the purpose of banks?
becouse lending means you have saved samething which you can than land out
banks do not have saved samething they creat samething thats an completly other thing
banks creat money and destroy money when credits are liquidated
Ah, ok
while how much they can create and in which rules is different from countrys
That makes sense
So what is the main purpose of banks? To keep putting money into the system?
well it depends who you ask. if they would not be privat i would say to guranty the right amount of money is in the sysem which does not couse high inflation or deflation rates
but well banks are privat which brings them to make as much money
which results in giving credits with the most return of invest
the return of invest are the interest rates
I see
while you also have the risk of if the other party can not pay back you actualy make a lose
I have some more questions, just wait for some time. Gtg
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