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okay, so what does "globalism" mean to you?
in particular, what policies do you think are required to be advocated for, and on what grounds?
why is everyone in this chat so angry all of the time
I don't perceive any anger here tbh
just mockery mixed with strident debate spirit
``` playing defintional games and engaging in sophistry.
and then randomly spouting quotes that nobody gives a shit about
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<:think_woke:378717098681171988>
I wonder why
strident debate spirit == angery
so
what you're saying is that
Damian == being a dip
also something about lobsters presumably
=/=
It's funny that you guys rail against sjws but love identity politics at the same time
[gets blown 3 miles back by dave rubin's attack helicopter arm spin]
special attack?
for it to be amusing that we "love identity politics" would require that to actually be the case. AFAICT, it is not.
It's funny you to claim to be a libertarian but then advocate for wealth redistrbution
I don't love identity politics
I think it's a potent weapon that I can't afford to not take advantage of, especially considering the high stakes
How is nationalism not identity politics?
how is it?
It doesn't need to be identity politics in the sense I think you see it in
Entitlement mentality based on identity
It doesn't need to be a divisive form of identity politics, in fact it's purpose is to bring many peoples together under one banner
wat
Let's use Rome as an example
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1. entitlement to what? 2. based on what identity? 3. mentality of whom?
They were pretty nationalistic but integrated other tribes into their system through subsuming them into the national identity
globalism is an entitlement mentality
Some groups became noteworthy for their skill in particular forms of combat, some became model citizens who adapted quickly to the Roman way of life, etc
the auxilleries right @banestrum
People kept as much of their smaller group identity as was useful to society
When in Rome do as the Romans do
@Deleted User Yeah, and some calvalry
@Deleted User Yes, but not because conformity is easy, but because it is mutually beneficial
Not total conformity, but enough that you and some totally different people can work together
Conform to our religious cult
>implying globalism isn't conformity
for example: I am Canadian, and rather proud of it. Canada is a rather nice country to live in.
This is not an identity in any meaningful sense. Canadians, even the most strident flag-wavers among them, do not consist of an identity bloc. There are no identity politics going on here. There is no complaint, for example, about under-representation of Canadian citizens on the world-political stage or whatever. there is no basis from which such a complaint could be made.
if by "religious cult" you mean "local law", sure. how is replacing this with global law any better? If anything, you deprive people of the opportunity to seek out a different locality with a legal system they prefer.
If Roman armies, with all their auxilaries, irregular troops, standardized equipment, and multinational manpower don't represent one of the greatest achievements of nationalism to you, then I don't know what to say.
all you have is empty rhetoric here, @Deleted User .
@zahlman I believe the only thing he has is sophistry and quotes no one gives a shit about
well, yes; that's the form of the rhetoric generally
@Deleted User Globalism is economic colonization and mutual wage slavery on an unprecedented scale, and all parties are worse for it. No nation is self sufficient, all are exploited, and national pride in unique products and labors is reduced to gross GDP
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Rome had the right idea, beat people until they comply, and then show them how nice you live.
I especially like the part where "the global poor used to average $1/year , now they average $2/year in income" is held up as an *accomplishment*
We don't do enough of either now
if you believe in globalism, you believe in colonization and slavery
as if it didn't occur to anyone that the mere fact of being able to survive on $1/year might possibly indicate that the economic rules of the developed world don't apply
@zahlman I mean, it's a big deal in some shitholes, but it's still a shithole, just marginally wealthier
How are those cheap clothing made by poor SE Asian workers?
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Itchy
Bangladesh can suck a dick
yeah, the quality is lacking @banestrum
jfc, when I was in university in the early 00s all the university leftists understood this shit
Fuck the tags they put on their shirts, they are the actual worst
you literally couldn't get away from people talking about sweatshop labour
now they've all sold out
The plastic stickers that are ironed on or something, you have to peel them off a letter at a time
American made products are of quality, from what I noticed @banestrum
because they can't afford to skimp on quality
@Deleted User They have to be, to compete
Plenty of cheap stuff, so no room there
yeap
@Deleted User that's fucked
if it's true
UK has fallen
we're supposed to be happy about a state of affairs in which workers literally halfway around the world can be economically exploited to the point where it's cheaper to make it there and also ship it, rather than make it locally
meanwhile, hundreds of millions of people still have malaria and schistosomiasis and fucking hookworm, the latter of which mark goddamned twain wrote about
I learned today that japan makes really good jeans because they bought up all the machinery in the states when it went under due to outsourcing
So they basically make american jeans
that's what your precious globalism gets you.
Do you think the lead-lined canteens of the Roman armies were good @banestrum?
superficial pretending-to-care bullshit and calling people racist based on nothing, while real problems are ignored
you got a source for that?
I thought that was just the pipes in rome
@banestrum too bad the jeans are too small for american waists
@zahlman We can all see that globalism has purported to bring the world closer, but has eroded what binds nations together
How is global free trade a bad thing @banestrum?
@Deleted User I think it's a lot of export, so some must be made for us amerifats
So slavery is a good thing ?
wow, how enlightened of you hooty
You guys are starting to sound like communists
bahahaa what
and you're a retard
@Deleted User It's a net economic gain for the world, but those benefits mostly go into the pockets of multinational corporations and extremely wealthy individuals rather than to the societies that produced said goods
christ, what do you even think your own political alignment is
Hooty is a corprate whore
`neoliberal`
```"libertarian"```
@Deleted User I'd be a communist if people were entirely logical and not emotional at all
Too bad that's not reality
[boot up the internet machine] time for a little own-a-rooni on the sargon chat
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